Another trick with either the 2 pt or the 6 pt: get dem string trees off and pitch 'em in da river!!! But it cannot be set to float without a small mod. I have an American Deluxe Strat with locking tuners and I find it quite stable. Out of three Strats, two (my old-time 1963 and my lovely new Rataecaster) have the old-style 6-screw vintage trem, and the third (a 2006 Custom Shop Jeff Beck sig) has the 2-point American Standard unit. I feel like 95% of all strat tuning issues originate at the nut, the strings get bound up behind the nut when you dive the trem, even a little, and the system then does not return to a perfect neutral. 2 of my 6 strats have 2 point trems. But a 6 screw trem can be a perfectly fine system as well. ). I love and respect both despite stemming from totally different design standpoints. Main Stratocaster Guitar Discussion Forum, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Let's talk Fender "tremolos": 2-point vs. vintage 6-screw versions. Joined: Feb 9, 2017 Location: California. The Gear Page is the leading online community and marketplace for guitars, amps, pedals, effects and associated gear. Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Kmaxbrady, Jul 5, 2020. Six points are readily available, good cheap ones are around. In turn , the two point tremolo is a floating or pivoting type. Springs are mismatched. Wilkinson VSVG 6-Point / Callaham 6-Point Vintage Trem. Hammer 4 Dr. Squier. My first Strat's bridge was set to float when I got it, and it's the vintage style. I couldn’t decide which company makes my favorite 6-point trem so I chose both Wilkinson and Callaham. I just was never a fan of two points. Upload or insert images from URL. Because of the mechanical friction difference, they both act the same on the strings, but with a real difference in feel. It's a big screw and it cracked the guitar body over time. Powered by Invision Community, Six screws can be a PITA when one screw is screwed down farther, pinching the trem down. Are there any major artists who actually use a Strat with a 2 point trem? If the screws are lined up straight and the machining is right on a fender trem, that load is spread out over 6 points. How should it be set up?? Six screws can be a PITA when one screw is screwed down farther, pinching the trem down. The other two have been converted to 'ghetto 2-point.' I don't use a trem so 6-screws set up non-floating is perfect for me. My son ran into Rev. Biggest thing with vintage trems is people don't know how to maintain them or thier to lazy. One of my customers has one and I set it up once. Could anyone possibly tell me the type of trem that would fit me best just as how I am?I like my trem to be stiff and level on the body of the guitar as i rarely use it and have tendency's to over use it when its loser. A two point tremolo has two mounting points that attach it to the guitar’s body. ). I’m starting to wonder if I’m the only one who isn’t a fan of the 2 point trem system found on the American Strats? (You must log in or sign up to reply here. Strat-Talk.com is an independent, member supported forum and is not affiliated with Fender Musical Instruments Corporation. A little chap stick works, it's what Fender recomends. Strat-Talk.com is an independent, member supported forum and is not affiliated with Fender Musical Instruments Corporation. Quick Links. Also like to hear about some favorite users of the "Wammy". Paste as plain text instead, × I know this debate is not new but on going. They both work really well when properly set up. Location: Pennsylvania. All my other strats over the years have all been 6 screw. I have a 6 point on my FCS and a 2 point on my American Standard. School me on the advantages/disadvantages of the two Fender tremolo (yes - I know it's really vibrato) options when it comes to strats. Vintage vs Modern Strat Tremolos. if people can really hear a tone difference it just further confirms my damaged hearing because I can't hear a difference but much prefer the feel of a 2 point. Win a Broadcaster or one of 3 Teles! If you take it a step further, which is what Mr. Floyd Rose did, and you add a plate/s that lock the strings down at the nut, the weakest point of the system, and by doing so you arrive at a what many players commonly enjoy as ... perfection. So what's the difference in schools of though on this. Actually, now that I think about it that right there would be about a quarter of the cost of a Charvel So-Cal... And the Charvel is just. © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. Do you use the cover? Ok now I am gassing for the Bladerunner because of this thread! I only say that because from a design standpoint, having the load spread out over 6 points is going to have an advantage. On the other hand, if the bridge metal is of good quality and uniform, a properly setup 6-screw trem can be as stable and reliable as a 2-point, for all but the most severe players. The JB has the most stable system, but then it also includes an LSR roller nut and Sperzel locking tuners. Even if you unscrew the 4 inside screws, the bridge's edge is resting on the shoulder of the screw. My Jagmaster is blocked (most because the Squier parts kinda suck) and the Strat floats....i never really got along with the 6 point trems. The standard fender 2-point has 2 screws much smaller than the ofr screws. I find tuning stability is better with the two point. Clear editor. Pasted as rich text. For Strat-style vibratos, the PRS design is the best, IMO. There are two types of Fender 6-Point tremolos. At least this is what I hear when I run a wall of Fenders at my local dealer. I like my vintage 6 point but the modern 2 seems more responsive. The '63 has had its trem modified by drilling out the block's string tunnels so that the ball-ends anchor far deeper inside than on a stock block. If you take it a step further, which is what Mr. Floyd Rose did, you add a plate/s that lock the strings down at the nut, the weakest point of the system, and by doing so you arrive at a what many players commonly enjoy as ... perfection. At least, those are the notes I am able to access deliberately. Sorry if I was not clear, I meant the stock 2 point system and the stock 6 screw trems. (Outside of promo videos for the guitars that have them), I often go to a gig and think, man this band sucks because I can here that 2 point trem colouring the mix, Main Stratocaster Guitar Discussion Forum, Well, it must be April 1 somewhere in the universe, http://www.soundproofing.org/infopages/channel.htm, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. My SE floats and is more stable than your average Fender design. These are nuts that are impregnated with teflon, and they allow the stings to slip back and forth though the nut slots which allow for the fender 2/6 trem systems to operate very finely. I play mostly finger style so palm muting isn’t necessary or even possible. Ain't given him a lick of trouble in over a year. Using two larger screws vs six smaller ones is a step forward in simplicity, taking more parts out does make the system more straight forward, and so I would have to agree that a two point trem is an improvement over a 6 screw. There is WIDE 2-7/32" string spacing, and NARROW 2-1/16" string spacing. That being said, the PRS modern six screw bridge is also very stable and stays in tune quite well. Mine is Jeff Beck what about his setup? I believe two points to be a better design, more reliable and more flexible in my opinion. Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by spizike231, Jul 12, 2017. The Callaham trems are a great combination of upgrades: elongated holes in the saddles, hardened steel, heavier block, more conical screw holes for the mounting screws, etc. I edited my post in hopes of being more clear. But you can set the two point to float. Generally speaking, 2 point Fenders typically sound tonally weak to me whereas 6 point Fenders seem to have a little more meat to their tone. The tremelo is effectively locked and the guitar is very stable. Never managed to hear any difference in tone between the two, at least one that i could blame on the 2 vs 6 point tremolos. I have never heard of that. But what I really like is the chrome cover over the saddles on my FCS. At least this is what I hear when I run a wall of Fenders at my local dealer. I believe two points to be a better design, more reliable and more flexible in my opinion. I've never had to mod a 6-point to make it float? These could be bolts or screws. Wilkenson makes a damn good 6 pt. © 1995-2019 Harmony Central, Inc. All rights reserved. But, it cannot be set to float without a small mod. Display as a link instead, ×