A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Press J to jump to the feed. It's not a flex to say "I play hard character", it's just the archetype I enjoy. The Summit 9 Swag Bracket sucked: swag stalling is broken, low tiers are buffed even though they are actually boring af, people's DI is too good and most of all, it turns out that swaggy risky strats are not actually that cool if there's no penalty for losing. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Ganon's edge in the neutral isn't that significant imo, oh good a version that doesnt make my fucking eyes bleed, thanks dude, The fucking NES picture for Ness and A21 for Mewtwo lmao. I think that non-eyesore version of the list has some incorrect numbers. I saw someone on this thread talking about how falcon's technical requirement is not lower than sheik. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Here's what I got: I'm a shitter and I like high execution character in the games I play. Mfw the fifth ranked character is mid tier. Leffen's Tier List. A competitive Melee focused extension of the reddit Super Smash Brothers community. what a hot take. Additionally, the "develop and execute game plan"I see as "adaptation", and I feel like the other top tiers have less of an edge on puff on this as well. I really like that he took the time to make this as visually uncomfortable as possible. He also overrated mewtwo a fair bit compared to the community tier list so idk what your point is? Did you use that or the original? Here's what I got: Difficulty to Use/M.U. leffen: "i play fox, the hardest character in the game. Leff provides great content. Press J to jump to the feed. At the same time, on the other side of the spectrum we have fox, which, although he CAN develop and change the pace of a match as well, it is incredibly more technically demanding. Finally a tier list I can get behind, finally not underrating Mewtwo. just saying. It doesnt mean I'm good, I personally suck, but I still enjoy them. He was already saying that sheik was cooler and harder than falcon before playing her. I wanted to test how these values of "Difficulty to Use, Hard to Play Versus, M.U. Spread, which I called Technical Requirement to Increase M.U. Difficulty to Use/Hard to Play Versus, which I took into consideration both aspects of "How often do you get to play a certain character AND how much of your gameplan has to be in order to play against a certain character". If you like playing character that are high execuction/hard, why would it be weird to say" the character I play are hard to play" ?? There's no tier list that perfectly fits every player so it's better to just give characters a broad classification that'll fit for 90% of players. spread with the lowest technical requirement. Was thinking the exact same thing. people falling out of upsmash all day long. Has leffen even played G&W can kill in ONE move!!! There are lots more to talk about this, but I honestly wanted to have some input from the community. Cookies help us deliver our Services. He proceeded to modify his tier list shortly after, to reflect the meta more accurately: https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/971512562457202688, Man, after all this Hax$/Hbox nonsense, it's good to see some top players taking these tier lists seriously. It's not like he suddenly decided that mewtwo was harder to play AFTER he picked him up, there's a good chance it's the reason he picked him up in the first place. What do you think? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Spread and Development" would correlate with each other, how they translate and how consistent they are to the current meta. the mid tier i play, mewtwo, is the most difficult mid tier to play also", and now that he plays sheik he thinks sheik is cooler and harder than falcon lmaooo. ... Melee mewtwo moveset design is absolutely horrible imo.