I want to make it clear that I'm also not using Seth as some sort of authoritative reference, I'm simply saying he makes a good point here. Imouto 17:39, January 7, 2017 (UTC)Imouto-tan (Talk), I do not think so. How many would it take for it not to be considered an outlier? Fixed. It be like scaling Pre-Crisis Earth 2 Superman feats to American Alien Superman, or Radio Show Superman. Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's iconic masterpiece, All Star Superman, is, in general, a love letter to Superman's past, with Morrison coming up with new takes on lots of classic Superman stories.However, the framework of the story is based around the basic idea that Lex Luthor sabotaged a mission of Dr. Leo Quintum and his team from the D.N.A. Superman's current ratings are a conservative estimate of his most justified and frequent showings. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-1?id=74548. Can anyone add "resistance to matter and mind manipulation" based on Thread:471211? how Superman has more Universal feats than he does Solar System ones. An OBD member known as Tonathan100 began a campaign to upgrade Post-Crisis Superman to universe level. Feats that put him at universal. What's with all these childish power level questions lately? Cropfist (talk) 23:56, October 19, 2016 (UTC), I have done so. Antvasima (talk) 05:10, July 26, 2017 (UTC), Supes' match against Iron Man doesn't have the note of Stark having a week of prep and having the Iron Legion. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League/Issue-33?id=18494, https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Final-Crisis-Superman-Beyond/Issue-1?id=74548. FanofRPGs (talk) 17:23, September 23, 2016 (UTC). Antvasima (talk) 06:26, January 8, 2017 (UTC), Oi! Before Superman left Lois in the 1st issue in Final Crisis: Superman Beyond, all time has stopped. You’ll go mad. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Superman normally has to exert himself for planet level feats and the few feats we have for solar system he has to exert himself quite a bit as well, so all of his other feats contradict the idea of universal Superman hence why it isn't generally accepted that he is universal. But you're right, this is proper context that Seth did leave out. Antvasima (talk) 07:52, October 20, 2016 (UTC), In the comics Superman and Power Girl are both weak to Livewire's electrical onslaught so shouldn't pure electricity be added as Livewire is a Superman Rouge gallery member. I mean All of us Superman fans Know it is BS That it is like this Especially since most Superman are as strong as they need to be Or are Limitless in most Catagories AND Yes I have a few Writer's statements that will show you straight up he is But why is it that Superman's Stronger Feats that allow him to compare with characters like PR Molecule Man or Galactus are literally outliers I mean to be honest with you I don't know about you other Superman fans but This Pisses me off. P.R.O.J.E.C.T. I really like the character, but feats such as lifting a book with infinite pages and the like, are considered as outliers. Basically if Superman has to exert himself for planet level and solar system feats theres no way hes actually universal. 1 Character Synopsis 2 Character Statistics 3 Other Attributes 4 Others Superman, also known asKal-ElandClark Kent, is one of the most, if not the most, famous heroes in the entirety of DC. What do you mean suspect? --FanofRPGs (talk) 19:58, August 2, 2017 (UTC), Okay. Majin Shackleford (talk) 15:51, September 30, 2016 (UTC)M.S. Your first mistake is watching STP and taking anything he says with any ounce of credibility. Superman's current position is at low galactic. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Should we add it to the page? Clark Kent. He clearly has much more impressive feats then star level. He isn't though. Natse (talk) 05:02, April 21, 2017 (UTC), I goofed. The Last Son of Krypton. This I will dispute, however, if Superman is able to fly around the entire universe while time is stopped it's still rather impressive since there is no way your average joe blow could run around the entire world relative to what superman did. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the CharacterRant community. https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League/Issue-33?id=18494, He is misinterpreting Superman, the missiles, and the heartbeat. Also, this is the Ring of Volthoom, not a Lantern Ring. I don't have much hope on those "Universal" feats being presented in-context but if you have some i'll love to see them or at least issue numbers. We have a separate profile for Superman (All Star). I have made my own list of feats with sources, and there more than 16 Solar System level feats and only about 6 Universal level feats. It is only because of that, Superman and the others saved Lois's life between her heartbeats relative to the time stop. Regardless, where is your list? Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Planet busting is very casual with superman, he hit Anti-Monitor with a blow that could destroy stars. I bet he then goes on to mention how none of them are actually universal. It's not an accrate portrayal of his power, nor is it a legitimate weakness. Also, this is the Ring of Volthoom, not a Lantern Ring. Antvasima (talk) 15:39, September 30, 2016 (UTC). Why do you worry so much about whether Superman can beat Goku that you argue with people about it? For example, Superman is generally considered to be a star buster for being able to take on stellar foes, easily flying straight through planets, and various other actions. When he said that Green Lantern Rings were called extra-dimensional by Lex Luthor, this actually comes from New 52 in Justice League #33. Okay well if i ever become a Writer I'm changin' a lot in Comics. Because I don't think scouring respect threads count. How so? Antvasima (talk) 19:16, December 25, 2018 (UTC). The Elder Scrolls metaphysics & philosophy, Power-scaling Rules for Marvel and DC Comics, https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Superman_(Post-Crisis)?oldid=3755620. The villain simply has electric powers and they need to show the hero being hurt to make the story engaging. Come here to talk about fictional characters, events, concepts, objects, etc. Press J to jump to the feed. But doens't it seem a bit convenient that all incarnations are week to Livewire and other characters like her? He's put in the planet category because he's a planet buster because he has more feats for that than either. However, this is not to say than in a particular run, Superman absolutely can't be Universal. SethTheProgrammer is okay. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Cookies help us deliver our Services. He recently jumped off of a planet and shattered it, it hardly seems like he needs to exert himself for planet tier stuff. I think it's time post crisis superman is updated. Plus, we're going to need more stuff then just WoG to accept something so big. It seems to be that upon further inspection, these feats solar system feats are way more impressive than previously thought as opposed to "suspect".